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Has SEO Made Search Less Relevant

There's an undeniable trend out there. As much as the naysayers dismiss Twitter and Facebook for having aspirations toward leveraging social search, people are clearly moving toward this behavior. Whether Twitter and/or Facebook are successful in being the source for such searching is irrelevant. The genie is out of the bottle. People simply find asking for advice from their self-built networks of associates to be more valuable than searching the brand-managed results ofGoogle.

Ben Kunz offers a great examination of this trend on Thought Gadgets this week and I won't attempt to repeat his arguments, which are very sound. But his second point I think deserves a bit more attention.

"SEO Experts Have Killed Their Own Game"

To be honest, it's unfair to totally blame SEO for "killing" search relevancy. And Ben's statement used in the subhead here is intended to be inflammatory. Search has never trumped personal recommendations, so the advent of social networks and the rise of more trusted online advisers was bound to cut into search volume eventually. But it is fair to say that SEO methods have stacked results to the point that we assume a certain level of bias.

For instance, when I search for "Cars," I am greeted with all the top sites that either sell or talk about cars. But the bias is on giving me results that match what most people are looking to find when searching my term. So all I see are traditional vehicles and traditional modes of transportation. I see what I expected to see.

Now, what happens when I pose this same question to my network of friends? I'm greeted with a much more dynamic response. Some might tell me about a new electric car they just read about. Some might tell me about bio-diesel. Some might try to convince me to use public transportation. Some might just offer me a ride.

Essentially, in a well-intentioned effort to match buyers to products and reduce noise, SEO is slowly reducing alternatives to my searches and creating increasing skepticism about the legitimacy of the results. And now it's to the point that when I search Google I have to always wonder if I'm seeing what's most relevant to my needs or the result of a company that has a great search consultant and is after my dollar.

Not A Numbers Game, But A People Game

Direct marketing of every stripe has always come down to the dilemma of managing the impact of good results. The whole purpose of direct is to generate a measurable response and improve that number with each promotion. But like I said in a recent post, "numbers make lousy storytellers," and good results can sometimes rob from your future brand value to deliver results today.

This is just an outsider's perspective (I am not an SEO consultant), but it seems to me that most (not all, but most) of the search experts I know are focused entirely on delivering clicks. There's talk about the impact of search on total brand value, etc., but it all comes back to raw numbers. And if the customer is mentioned, it's in terms of aligning the customer's search desire to the business' offering.

I would argue that while this approach will work well for relevancy a good percentage of the time, in many cases it's only creating "artificial relevancy." And unless the searcher has a strong understanding of Boolean logic and how to get the most from the search engine, the results presented will have only cursory context to what the true needs are.

In short, we end up talking to the percentages more than talking to actual people.

What Needs To Change?

Now to this point, I'm sure all my SEO friends are chaffing at the collar, ready to tear in with a response. But let me first say that I wouldn't suggest that SEO needs to radically change at all. I mean certainly it would behoove them to work more closely with behavioral specialists and account planners to increase the relevancy of the results and raise the subsequent value of the leads generated, but by and large search isn't the broken component. What's broken are the results they are pointing toward.

Brands are typically focused on "push selling" across the board. They're also focused on positioning their offerings to align with customer desires as closely as possible. What they generally are not interested in is change.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with having the number one search result for "shoes" be an open forum on which your shoe brand participates. Certainly the competition will be talking there. Certainly you need a better product to compete. But in doing this you achieve two things that having your sales page alone will never get: Honest dialog and personal connections.

It's a longer sell-cycle, but making interactions the focus of your SEO efforts, rather than simply your product, is the only way that traditional search can ever hope to come close to matching the long-term value of a social recommendations. Because a focus on interactions is your opportunity to hear your customers, you chance to make necessary changes or improvements to your offerings and your public showcase of how confident you are that your brand holds up against the competition -- even in a public venue. I won't go so far as to say you will become a BFF with your customers. But certainly it's miles better than just being a keyword.

And let's face facts: Even if completely disagree with me, what's the risk of testing this? What monetary risk is there to spend a year or two letting one (just one) of you treasured keywords be redirected to your social efforts, then compare the long-term value of customers acquired through one approach vs. the other? A few thousand dollars? Even $100,000 wouldn't be a huge financial risk for most companies. So why aren't more companies doing this?

Something to think about.

BeanCast 68: We Crowdsourced The Show

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There's something about a show with ad bloggers that can't be beat. But when you do one with bloggers who blog just because they love the industry and want to talk about it, then you get something special.

That's what we had this week. Three bloggers. And a relaxed, fun discussion that I think you'll have a blast with as well. Of course, it didn't hurt that we started off with a meaty topic like crowdsourcing of creative work, but hey, that's just the icing on the cake.

So get your sweet tooth satisfied, then swing on over to twitter.com and add me to your profile for all the latest BeanCast news, as well as my random witticisms. I'mTheBeanCast. As always, thanks for listening and please add a positive review to iTunes if you like the show.

Guests:

David Burn, Editor, AdPulp

Dan Goldgeier, Featured Writer, AdPulp (Check out all of Dan's columns at AdColumnist.com)

Bill Green, Publisher, Make the Logo Bigger


Topics:

Crowdsourced Creative


Obama's Marketing Misteps

The Elusive Ad Recovery

Alternate Revenue For Mags

Microsoft Photoshop Scandal

Credits

Opening Theme, Joe Sibol (pick up his latest album on iTunes)

Closing Theme, CJACKS

(Find more music from both artists at podsafeaudio.com.)

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Special thanks to 93 Octane for their help with our identity work. They make some mighty fine beans!

BeanCast 67: Risky Business

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This idea of taking more risks in business is really intriguing.

We get so set in our way in any kind of marketing. We think our results justify our actions and have distilled advertising down to a science. But one thing that years of testing have taught me: To win big you have to throw out the safe approach and do something extraordinary.

My whole business, as well as this podcast, are the result of risk taking. The rebirth of Apple was a giant gamble with change. Taking your entire agency on a tour of your competitors and promoting them along the way (like Plaid Nation does each year) is a giant risk. But you can't win big without playing a big bet.

We've taken the theme of Kelly Eidson's post in Ad Age this week and ran amok with it. But the result was a fascinating discussion of why U.S. marketing needs to assume a little more risk to survive.

And speaking of risk, risk your sanity by adding me on your Twitter profile for all the latest BeanCast news, as well as my random witticisms. I'm TheBeanCast. As always, thanks for listening and please add a positive review to iTunes if you like the show.

Guests:

Kelly Eidson, Contributing Writer, Ad Age

Bill Green, Publisher, Make the Logo Bigger

Darryl Ohrt, President, Plaid (Also see all the Plaid Nation videos at PlaidNation.com)

Topics:

Pushing Boundaries


Anonymous Blogging

Twitter Movie Reviews

The Size of a Banner

PR Reply All Option

Credits

Opening Theme, Joe Sibol (pick up his latest album on iTunes)

Closing Theme, CJACKS

(Find more music from both artists at 

podsafeaudio.com.

)

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Special thanks to 93 Octane for their help with our identity work. They make some mighty fine beans!

BeanCast 66: It's The Inflection Point, Stupid

If you've listened to The BeanCast Marketing Podcast this week, you've already heard me rant about this idea. But we all know I don't get over ideas very easily. So I want to explore "currency exchange" a little more.

To bring everyone up to speed, Brian Morrissey proposed on his blog that free services, like FriendFeed, intentionally make a contract with their users that says, "We will give you free access to our service, in exchange for you populating our site with content." And while at first this seems like a great idea, we find again and again that the company proves their concept, sells their concept out to the bigger fish in the pond and leaves the users hanging out to dry.

For me, this highlights some basic truths about the concept of "free." And no, I'm not debating whether Chris Anderson's book, Free, is legitimate thinking. I'll save that for another time. But Brian's post does clarify for me the following two points:

The Free "Model" is Not Universal

When we hear about the idea of giving away stuff for free in order to attract business elsewhere, there's this tendency to image we're talking about "sampling." Giving away free samples is indeed a solid business practice. You give away product in hope that the person will come back and pay the next time.

But this model cannot be overlaid on top of a "free service" business. Because when you offer a free service, there is no real path to profitability and people come to expect your service to always be free. (Online news is a perfect example.) Even if you offer premium service upgrades, those are really completely separate propositions. So the model for a free service business needs to be completely different.

Now let me say, this isn't a bad thing. Giving away a free service is a brand builder -- at least until your market becomes saturated with free offerings in your space. (And again, news is a prime example.) But it's clearly not a path to making money.

Free Services Only Work With Value Exchange

Which brings up the second insight I got from Brian's post: The only model that makes business sense for a free service is where the business gets something of value from the customer.

I called it a "currency exchange" in my comments on Brian's site. You as a business offer access, tools and bandwidth, then ask for access to the time/content/activities of your users in return.

FriendFeed seemed to understand this much quicker than Facebook and Twitter have. And Google has built an entire empire on it. You can offer a free service only if what your users are contributing can be resold in some manner. So for instance in the case of Google, content managers use Google tools in exchange for Google's access to their content and/or site traffic data for search purposes, and searchers use Google in exchange for the knowledge of their search preferences for resale. We users look at it as "free," but really Google is taking value from our activities, so it's anything but free.

Now the point was brought up on the show that Facebook, in buying FriendFeed, can't hope to make Google-style dollars from the acquisition. And I agree. But the data they hope to get from the FriendFeed version of Internet content aggregation is still much more valuable on the resale market than anything they currently have. It puts them in a much better position than Twitter, which can only aggregate random thoughts.

But no matter how you slice it, the acquisition of FriendFeed is acknowledgment by Facebook that their key to survival depends on leveraging more of a value exchange from their users. And I think it's time we stop thinking of these services as free and start understanding what this value exchange really means -- and whether we're giving away more than we bargained for in the transaction.

BeanCast 65: Please Be My Friend

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I finally got my chance to talk about PR sometimes forgetting the basics!

For those of you who follow the blog, you know that about a month ago I was all in a stir about a This Week in Tech podcast that I heard, that discussed the issue of PR reps paying more attention to "relationships" at the expense of the fact. The conversation was near and dear to my heart and it inspired me to contact one of the participants and ask her to be on my show. She accepted, I added two of the smartest people I know in the space, and the rest is the program you're about to listen to. Hope you enjoy.

As usual, I remind you to add me on your Twitter profile for all the latest BeanCast news, as well as my random witticisms. I'm TheBeanCast. As always, thanks for listening and please add a positive review to iTunes if you like the show.

Guests:

Joseph Jaffe, President and Chief Interrupter, Crayon

Scott Monty, Global Digital & Multimedia Communications Manager, Ford Motor Company (Also read his personal blog atScottMonty.com.)

Becky Worley, ABC News Tech Correspondent, and blogger at Yahoo! Tech.


Topics:

Forgetting the PR Basics


Those Creepy Palms

YouTube's Adsense

Sponsored Tweets Launch

Facebook Cracks Down

Credits

Opening Theme, Joe Sibol (pick up his latest album on iTunes)

Closing Theme, CJACKS

(Find more music from both artists at 

podsafeaudio.com.

)

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Special thanks to 93 Octane for their help with our identity work. They make some mighty fine beans!

BeanCast 64: Chinese Food And Bruce Lee

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This was a fascinating week for deciding on topics. Yahoo! and Bing hashed out a deal. GM's Bob Lutz and his remarks became heated topics of debate. Cash for clunkers was a huge controversy. But it was my little alternative subject in the original topics list that rose to be our lead-in discussion.

As soon as I began to pose questions to listeners and guests alike, we were on fire with the discussion over Chinese brands and the growing importance of China to our economy. Some news outlets had taken to calling this past week's US/China meetings as a "G2" summit, denoting the advent of China as the sole rival to U.S. economic supremacy.

It was a great discussion and one you won't soon forget. And believe it or not, the show gets even better from there.

As usual, I remind you to add me on your Twitter profile for all the latest BeanCast news, as well as my random witticisms. I'm TheBeanCast. As always, thanks for listening and please add a positive review to iTunes if you like the show.

Guests:

David Cherry, President, Cherry Interactive

Bill Green, Publisher, Make the Logo Bigger (Follow the Plaid Nation Tour 2009.)

Brian Morrissey, Digital Editor, Adweek.com, blogging at @bmorrissey


Topics:

A Future of Chinese Brands?


Yahoo! Bings

GM's Lutz In Spotlight

Cash For Clunkers

BlogHer Raises Payola Questions

Credits

Opening Theme, Joe Sibol (pick up his latest album on iTunes)

Closing Theme, CJACKS

(Find more music from both artists at 

podsafeaudio.com.

)

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Special thanks to 93 Octane for their help with our identity work. They make some mighty fine beans!

BeanCast 63: Ducks Gone Wild

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I knew I was in trouble before we even started recording. George was on a tear and dragging the rest of us in his wake as soon as he connected for the call. But after we got through discussions about rapist ducks, the SEO value of Paris Hilton doing obscene things to plastic ducks, and a quick search of Wikipedia on the subject of duck mating habits, we managed to actually record a show.

Luckily the show part channeled all that duck-inspired sexual tension into some engaging discussion you won't want to miss. So download it now. Before the ducks arrive. And have their way with you.

And as usual, a reminder to add me on your Twitter profile for all the latest BeanCast news, as well as my random witticisms. I'm TheBeanCast. As always, thanks for listening and please add a positive review to iTunes if you like the show.

Guests:

Angela Natividad, Blogger, Live and Uncensored

George Parker, Publisher, AdScam/The Horror! (Get George's latest book, The Ubiquitous Persuaders. Also read his tribute to David Ogilvy in Brand Republic and see his blog for info on his trip to NYC on 8/20.)

Greg Verdino, Chief Strategy Officer, Crayon (Greg also blogs here and look for his book, microMarketing in bookstores next year.)


Topics:

Amazon Buys Zappos


WalMart Demands Ad Dollars

Twitter Gets $48MM In Free Exposure

Target As Taste-Maker

Growing Categories To Grow Brands

Credits

Opening Theme, Joe Sibol (pick up his latest album on iTunes)

Closing Theme, CJACKS

(Find more music from both artists at 

podsafeaudio.com.

)

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Email services provided by Email Transmit, a product of Mass Transmit
Special thanks to 93 Octane for their help with our identity work. They make some mighty fine beans!

BeanCast 62: People Hate Grandmothers

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What a week! Almost no real news and then bam! Two huge stories drop in our lap.

Between Twitter getting hacked and the Zappos agency review troubles, we had lots to talk about. But the the best thing about the show wasn't the topics, but the guests. This group made by Sunday and I hope they make your Monday as well.

And as usual, a reminder to add me on your Twitter profile for all the latest BeanCast news, as well as my random witticisms. I'm TheBeanCast. As always, thanks for listening and please add a positive review to iTunes if you like the show.

Guests:

Bill Green, Publisher, Make the Logo Bigger (Follow the Plaid Nation Tour 2009.)

John Wall, Podcaster/Blogger, Marketing Over Coffee, The M Show, Ronin Marketeer

Dave Wilkie, Blogger, Where's My Jetpack? (Like to read, or better yet publish, Dave's first novel? Find out more at Random Scratch


Topics:

Twitter Gets Hacked


Zappos Irritates Agencies

Microsoft Irritates Apple

Back-To-School Made Wonderful

Brian Morrissey Responds

Credits

Opening Theme, Joe Sibol (pick up his latest album on iTunes)

Closing Theme, CJACKS

(Find more music from both artists at 

podsafeaudio.com.

)

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Special thanks to 93 Octane for their help with our identity work. They make some mighty fine beans!

BeanCast 61: I Am Your Snuggie

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Back again!

Hope you all enjoyed the repeat episode of the year-end special last week, but I know what you really want is new content. And this week we deliver in spades.

Not only do we bring back Peter and Bill, but we also threw in a doctor for good measure. It was raucous and fun and full of intensely interesting discussion. A great way to get back in the saddle. So listen up and enjoy!

And while you're listening, add me on your Twitter profile for all the latest BeanCast news, as well as my random witticisms. I'm TheBeanCast. As always, thanks for listening and please add a positive review to iTunes if you like the show.

Guests:

Dr. Eamon Boyle, VP, Director of Analytics, The Martin Agency

Bill Green, Publisher, Make the Logo Bigger (Follow the Plaid Nation Tour 2009.)

Peter Shankman, Founder, Help a Reporter Out, blogging at Shankman.com


Topics:

Digital's Analog Problems


United Breaks Guitars

Kindle Ad Patent

DVR Troubles Increase

Google Not-So-Mobile Adsense

Credits

Opening Theme, Joe Sibol (pick up his latest album on iTunes)

Closing Theme, CJACKS

(Find more music from both artists at 

podsafeaudio.com.

)

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Email services provided by Email Transmit, a product of Mass Transmit
Special thanks to 93 Octane for their help with our identity work. They make some mighty fine beans!

BeanCast 60: Cannes Can

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Back to normal this week...sort of.

I put the new condenser mic into play (still need to tweak my settings, but it sounds great), the sound file saved properly and, even though we had lots of background noise, for the first time I really got the most out of my SoundSoap purchase.

But all that aside, the show itself was a fascinating inside-look at the Cannes Advertising Festival. Many of us know nothing about the event beyond the awards and parties. But this year's focus on temperance has given us all a glimpse into the real inner workings of Cannes. Whether you love the fest or despise it, there's no doubt you'll have lots more to discuss after listening to this episode.

Don't forget to add me on your Twitter profile for all the latest BeanCast news, as well as my random witticisms. I'mTheBeanCast. As always, thanks for listening and please add a positive review to iTunes if you like the show.

Guests:

Bill Green, Publisher, Make the Logo Bigger (Follow the Plaid Nation Tour 2009.)

Angela Natividad, Blogger, AdRants, Marketing Vox, Live and Uncensored (Support Act Responsible, an outreach to the advertising community.)

Åsk Wäppling, CEO, Adland.tv


Topics:

Cannes Round-Up

Credits
Opening Theme, Joe Sibol (pick up his latest album on iTunes)
Closing Theme, CJACKS
(Find more music from both artists at podsafeaudio.com.)

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